They made a movie about a chainy ghost on a bike before they made a movie about Wonder Woman.
They made a movie about the Hulk looking like a moldy Stay Puft Marshmallow man before they made a movie about Wonder Woman.
They made a movie about the Green Hornet before they made a movie about Wonder Woman.
They made a movie about a dorky looking guy in purple head tights before they made a movie about Wonder Woman.
How long? How long must we sing this song?
I'm glad to hear David E Kelley is making a Wonder Woman TV show, it's better than nothing and I like the casting, and if it's any good it might help a movie along.
Though I think he should have made a She Hulk series, because she was the lawyer in the gang. In fact, she eventually decided to remain in green form and practiced law this way. That would have been a very funny series and right up Kelley's ally.
Oh Wonder Woman, hero of my childhood. I guess you're just too good for this world. Le sigh.
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I assume you know that Joss Whedon was hired to write the script? But his script was trashed, and he was fired.
btw, have you seen Kickass? Chloe Moretz is BADASS in that movie, if you're looking for a good female action hero. And I think it's pretty much the funniest superhero movie ever made too...
oh, sorry, Whedon was hired to write the film script, not the TV series.
Why are you so obsessed with a movie? Won't a TV series bring you much more of the Wonder Woman you lurv?
I heard Badass was kind of violence-over-the-top so I never saw it.
The thing about a Wonder Woman movie is the principle. She is one of the Classic Original Superheroes. There's Superman, Batman and there's Wonder Woman. Superman's had I think 5 movies? Batman's had about 6? And Wonder Woman = 0. The lack of Wonder Womanness is just insulting at this point. Let alone a myriad of other female superheroes they haven't brought to the screen yet. If male audiences really won't go see these movies, then that disappoints me in one way. If male audiences will see them, and Hollywood is just underestimating them (which is what I suspect) then it's disappointing in another way. Either way, I'm frustrated.
What's annoying is that if someone puts out a shitty Wonder Woman movie and it doesn't do well, it'll be taken as proof that a female superhero movie doesn't work. Whereas Hulk looking like a big marshmallow didn't stop them from making a second go at it.
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Where's Super Gran when I need her?
lol Sorry Kickass not Badass.
I knew about Whedon re WW. He would have made a good movie, but I was always nervous about his casting cause (a) he favors petite women, and (b) I hate some of his leads (Eliza Dushku, Sarah Michelle Geller). I was a bit EEK about the names getting tossed around in re him doing the movie.
Yeah, Eliza Dushku really cannot act. I think Sarah Michelle Geller is better, but then... I dunno if Whedon is alone in favoring petite women. Seems like a Hollywood thing.
Kickass was violent, yeah, but it wasn't gory. It didn't really bother me. My mom even liked it. There are over the top shootouts, but not much blood/grotesque imagery. But I'm mostly okay with violence. I can't stand Tarantino movies, but other than that, I can't really think of a violent film or TV show that I had trouble watching.
You know, I was thinking about the JW-favors-petite-women thing, and I'm not entirely sure that's accurate. The other female characters varied in size throughout the series.
SMG certainly fits the bill, but her character was supposed to be the stereotypical little blond girl who turns around and kicks ass. The other female characters varied in size throughout the series.
In Angel, Cordelia was certainly not petite, and neither was Lilah. Fred and Eve were. So that's 2 vs 2.
In Firefly, you arguably had women with four different body types - Zoe was an amazon, Inara was medium/slim and curvy, River was petite and ballerina lean and Kaylee was average-sized (and Joss specifically wanted her to gain weight for the role).
In Dollhouse Eliza was petite, one female active was very lean and the other was normal-sized, verging on plump. And it was Eliza that had the deal at Fox, so he built the show around her.
In Dr. Horrible, the female lead was petite, but she was cast largely because Joss had worked with her before when she was a minor character in season 7 of Buffy, and he loved her work. (Plus she already has an established fan base within the online community.)
I think it's really less of a preference with him than it is a combination of this is the body type that is preferred in general in hollywood, so about half of his actresses have it, and him re-casting a lot of the same actors because he likes them.
I think I agree with Maggie. I also remember Joss saying something about how he wanted to cast more actresses with Mellie's body type.
Kristin, I think I recall reading that too.
Also as a side note - SGM in the first season is short, obviously, but she's not super-skinny. She lost a lot of weight the following year, and then mostly stayed that size for the rest of the series. I think that probably says more about the pressure in Hollywood to be a size zero that it does about what body type Joss prefers, you know?
On the actual subject of WW - I am also extremely frustrated that this project was in limbo forever. I don't have the same attachment to her that you do, since it was juuuust a little before my prime tv watching period, but I absolutely get the frustration. All these super hero movies, and the wimmins are either the girlfriends or the sidekicks or the evil sidekicks.
Or when they finally do female superhero lead, it's a crapfest like Catwoman.
Even a series like X-Men, which is theoretically an ensemble, spins-off which character? Wolverine. The third X-Men was about Dark Phoenix, arguably one of THE BEST X-Men stories, whith a female character at the center. But in the film she's almost trivial, and the story is about Wolverine's pain, and Xavier's guilt, and Magneto's bwahahaHAha.
Ugh.
Sorry I just trashed my last comment cause I needed to edit one wee thing.
Let me be more specific about the Whedon thing. Since Wonder Woman would be the Principle Ass Kicker in her own movie, I was thinking of his Main Lead Ass Kickers: Buffy, River, and whatever-Dushku-was-called. He definitely casts other body types as side characters. (Arguably none of the women on Firefly could be called a Main Character--but I was thinking of River because in the movie she basically turns out to be a Slayer.)
I think what he did with Buffy and River was to purposely take a somewhat petite or thin female and then give her superhuman strength - a strength you wouldn't logically expect from someone that size. Which was cool, it was part of what made them interesting. And then he used Dushku in Dollhouse--apparently because of Fox. So in my mind, it said to me that when Whedon wants to unleash a female ass kicker into society, he likes to play against the physical type of someone who can actually kick asses. That's what made me nervous about him casting Wonder Woman. Especially when the name being tossed around at the time was Charisma Carpenter, because she's 5'7''. That may not be petite, but it's average.
If all his series had prominent Gina Torres types in them, then I would make an automatic Amazonian association with Whedon's name, and be all woo-woo at the thought of him doing Wonder Woman.
But I was never unhappy with the idea, since he writes great storylines. And the casting was never actually announced. It's just that, after the heartbreak of Halle Berry as Storm, I didn't know if I could take the sadness of Cordelia as Wonder Woman. sniffs sniffs.
Good point about the Phoenix storyline--you're right, she was just a big ole toy for the boys. It was a terrible movie.
Joss also did the comic book Frey - about a petite girl with superpowers...
I don't know if Joss has weird issues around women, or he just repeats himself A LOT. (Alien Resurrection was basically an episode of Firefly. AND featured petite Wynona Ryder as an android - little girl/big powers)
But, again, why are you elevating movies over television? You will get five years of WW instead of 90 minutes of WW.
Also, there have been successful TV shows about women super heroes, but NEVER a good live-action TV show about male super heroes. Spiderman - SUCKED! Captain America - SUCKED!
They're just different art forms. So consider me happy with Super Women In TV (Wonder Woman! Isis! Xena! Buffy!) Unhappy with Super Women in Film. One can't compensate for the other. There's different budgets, a different aesthetic, different meaning, they're consumed in a different manner, etc.
We can start a Need Better Super Hero Tv Shows campaign too if you'd like. Though there was the seminal Flash Gordon and the classic Batman. And we seemed to love The Hulk as children, though God knows why. There's a new Flash Gordon I think, but I saw it once and it was bad. But Smallville enjoys a good reputation.
Aw hell. Maybe we should just start picking on racial diversity instead. They really blew it with Catwoman.
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