But first, some pictures of my favourite non-humans:


I continue to eat vegan even though I don't objectively believe it to be the healthiest diet. But I'm not comfortable commenting on the health issues of someone who has no energy or is severely depressed, and to tell them they should have to live that way for the sake of the animals. I have friends were severe chronic illness (not caused by being vegans) and they're having trouble holding down jobs and paying their medical bills. I can't wish that upon another person. I do wonder if there's a certain % of the population that, through their basic biology, do very poorly on a vegan diet, and if those are the people who are one by one coming "out of the closet." I don't think it's that weird if it seems to be happening all at once, since they would probably take courage from seeing others do it. According to some of these posts there are some prominent vegan bloggers who behind the scenes are eating meat. ??!! At least these people are being honest. Yikes.
I'm talking about before hunting-gathering. If you have two communities gathering, and then one learns to hunt as WELL as gather, they now have a protein advantage. -> The only reason I bring it up is because I've had vegans tell me that veganism is the most "natural" way to eat. But the most natural impulses of any species are to reproduce and survive--any advantage they have to do that, they will take. And our ancestors did.
As for what agriculture did to change our societies--I don't have strong opinions as to whether it was a positive or a negative. Like most technological developments, it was probably both. As far as I understand it, it's what really cemented the concept of ownership, and further created the divide between the rich and poor, which is why some anti-capitalist people see it as a negative thing. But I'm sure there are many theories around this topic that I'm wholly ignorant of, not being a geographer.
Though I haven't extensively read the arguments of the ex-vegans, I think they believe that a planet of vegans would be unsustainable because of the extensive monoculture that would necessitate it; and therefore they see veganism as violent and harmful to the welfare of wild animals. They're not "in" for factory farming either--they see all large-scale farming as harmful. I don't know enough about this perspective to say whether I agree or not.
My opinions, both on agriculture and on nature/evolution, are in part based on the writings of zoologist Matt Ridley. In The Red Queen he discusses the development of ownership and how this helped certain men accumulate more wealth and then reproduce more widely than other men. It's a VERY interesting and entertaining read. As is his book on why cooperation exists in nature, The Origins of Virtue. Also highly recommended. Neither has to do with animal rights, but as a zoologist he's mostly discussing animal behaviors.
I did not mean to give the impression that I think factory farms are just part of "the ciiircle of liiiiife." It's one of the most horrifying industries in the western world, and it's the reason I will not eat meat, eggs, dairy from an unknown source. And since (a) I don't know of any humane farms where I can easily purchase meat or dairy from well-treated animals, and since (b) I haven't made any sort of decision that I would eat meat or dairy from such a farm, I continue to not consume these foods.
I agree. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
As mentioned above, I brought up the hunter aspect in re vegans who argue that eating vegan is the most natural diet. But I don't by any means see that as an excuse for not striving towards a peaceful society.* B12
One of the best, most comprehensive articles I've read on animal rights issues, meat eating, and sustainability is by journalist Michael Pollan. It's a long article but well-well worth the read.
My understanding is that nutritional yeast only has B12 when it's added as a supplement, same as with cereals. I believe vegans have to get their B12 through supplemented food, or through pills.
-> This is a longish post about my current position on veganism, and on my discovery of a bunch of vegans-turning-omnivore that's happened lately in blogland. While veganism is starting to mainstream a bit because of Ellen, Bill Clinton, Alicia Silverstone, Skinny Bitch, and one Oprah experiment, I think we're going to continue to see a shift towards local and low-processed eating. (The backlash against slow-food hasn't begun in earnest yet, but fast food chains have already figured out how to cash in on it.)
I went vegetarian and then vegan a number of years ago. My basic reason: If I'm such a suck for animals that I can't even watch a cartoon where an animal is sad, then I probably shouldn't be contributing to their real life pain. And since animals are often poorly treated in the production of eggs and milk, I always knew I would eventually step it up to veganism. And then slowly I let go of leather and wool and products tested on animals (and sometimes products with animal ingredients.)
And it's hard for me to see the killing of other animals as immoral, when such killing exists in amoral beings--animals themselves. Death and life go hand in hand. I personally don't view that as inherently bad either. I see it as neutral. Again, it's how we (as sentient beings) treat each other and the beings and world around us that matters to me.
I haven't begun to eat meat or dairy or eggs again, and I don't know if I will. I have started to make some small choices such as eating local honey, rather than South American agave syrup. Since a lot of the foods vegans depend on, like almonds, are dependent upon roving beekeeping, I just can't see honey as more harmful than almonds.
But. What's coming out on these blogs is that there are some people who become very, very ill on a vegan diet. (I've known people who got sick as vegetarians, usually because they have a genetic iron deficiency; but I know only, like, one person who's even vegan in the first place.) These people became severely depressed, lacking in energy, hair falling out, etc. And within a week of eating meat (even within a mouthful) their health began to improve.
Yet still they got terribly sick. So they've gone back to being omnivore. But in having to revert to eating meat, they also opened their minds to the criticism of their previous beliefs, and now tend to believe that a vegan diet is not only killing some people, but would not be good for the planet; and in fact they see agriculture as The Big Bad. I think some of them lean towards hunting-gathering, I guess others to small-scale agriculture (small farming.) Well you don't have to convince me that a lot of environmental problems have come along with agriculture, I learned that in Environmental Geography 101 back in the 1990s. And it definitely went hand in hand with the development of ownership and therefore capitalism (and patriarchy and sex sex sex!!)
I gather that the political background for many of these people is feminist. While I am a feminist, I've never equated Female with Nature, and believed women are more peaceful than men, and somehow connected all that with veganism. I don't think you'll ever see me write about What Mother Nature Believes is Most Nurturing For My Body. I don't see veganism as a patriarchal plot to keep women (or womyn) (or wimmin) activists weak and not out activating. (Rather I think it's a sad coincidence that this diet that many thought was radical and energizing, ended up sapping some of these people of their energy and therefore their radicalism.



So. I've always wanted to MAKE myself try the experiment of not doing something else while eating. As a way of being more conscious of my food and when I'm full.As a demonstration, Kellogg prepared some of its biggest sellers with most of the salt removed. The Cheez-It fell apart in surprising ways. The golden yellow hue faded. The crackers became sticky when chewed, and the mash packed onto the teeth. The taste was not merely bland but medicinal.
“I really get the bitter on that,” the company’s spokeswoman, J. Adaire Putnam, said with a wince as she watched Mr. Kepplinger struggle to swallow.
They moved on to Corn Flakes. Without salt the cereal tasted metallic. The Eggo waffles evoked stale straw. The butter flavor in the Keebler Light Buttery Crackers, which have no actual butter, simply disappeared.
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processed foods, along with restaurant meals, now account for roughly 80 percent of the salt in the American diet. The rest comes from the kitchen salt shaker or occurs naturally in food.
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In calculating the percent of the daily recommended sodium intake in each serving, companies use the standard for healthy adults below middle age, a teaspoon of salt, or about 2,300 milligrams. But the recommendation for the vast majority of Americans — children, adults of middle age or older, all blacks and anyone with hypertension — is less than 1,500 milligrams a day.
When you make similar recipes at home, the amount of salt you use is minimal compared to these descriptions. I guess because you use more expensive ingredients. If I make cookies, for example, there's some salt in my processed ingredients (margarine) but otherwise you're putting maybe half a teaspoon. And you can eliminate that teaspoon and the cookies will still be tasty.
In something like guacamole the salt makes a big difference, but again, more than 3/4 of a teaspoon and it will taste too salty.
Shows what a difference it makes to your health to sometimes make homemade food. Or at least, you have more control and knowledge. A good reminder for me, because the more I work the more processed food I buy.
Mind you - I don't have a very discerning palate, but there are some foods that I now like much better when homemade. Hummus, cookies, granola--the store bought versions don't taste as good as they used to. Especially cookies! I'm always disappointed by processed cookies, even brands I used to love.
Mmmm. Cooookies.
While I don't think it's immoral to eat meat, here's yet another reason (article below) why I remain vegan. Unless you know the farm yourself, can visit it, and can openly witness how they treat their animals, then you can never be sure if they were treated humanely. And that goes for dairy too.An undercover investigation reveals factory farm conditions at an organic, “humane” slaughterhouse.
By Liz Miller
This week, British animal welfare group Animal Aid released undercover video revealing that a purported organic, "humane" slaughterhouse confines and beats animals and does not follow humane slaughter practices. Animal Aid chose the slaughterhouse because it is certified to the highest standard in the UK, and it received humane slaughter certification from organic, eco-conscious farming group Soil Association. Inhumane practices caught on film mimic the worst violations committed on factory farms, from extreme animal confinement and abuse to slaughtering conscious animals. Critics of organic farming are calling the investigation proof that certified organic meat is no more ethical than meat produced by factory farms. (vegnews)





